Friday, June 24, 2005

The LiberalNDPBloc Amendment Passes

Okay, by now, everybody knows that the LiberalNDP budget amendment passed with the help of the Bloc Quebecois, even though they voted against it. Now, the Bloc has in writing that the Liberals have been sleeping with them. I'm not sure where my shock lies at this point. I'll try to post something later.

Update (June 25, 2005 - 8:30 am): Okay. I've read some other blogs and have come to pretty much the same conclusion. We got caught off guard; we didn't listen to the "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me" adage.

But, let's look on the bright side.

In all likelihood, the Liberal caucus will be divided on the promised SSM vote to come. PMPM will have to force the EEEEEVIL so-cons in his caucus to tow the line or be bumped from caucus. Or, skip the vote, anger the Bloc, and somehow manage to blame the Conservative Party.

Kind of surprising, though, is the Liberals have, in writing, hopped into bed with the separatists. If PMPM mentions it once during the next election, just splash full page ads showing Michel Gauthier's letter.

At any rate, chalk one up for the Bad Guys.

Update (June 25, 2005 - 11:47 am): Am I using "EEEEEVIL" too much?

8 comments:

A Hermit said...

Ya know, a couple of weeks ago teh Tories were defending themselves against Liberal charges that they were dealing with the separatists. To pretend to be outraged now when the Liberals do the same just looks silly...

Jim said...

Either working with the Bloc is bad, or working with the Bloc is good. Neither party can have it both ways.

However, only the Liberal Party has demonized the Conservatives for dealing with the Bloc. The press and media demonized the Conservatives for "siding with the separatists".

The Conservatives have never come out and said, "We like working with the Bloc". Let alone, get an agreement in writing.

They did not support the amended budget. So, they sided with the Bloc.

In fact, that was the cornerstone of Belinda Stronach's defection. She did not like to see a party working together to bring down a "federalist" party.

I guess it's only okay to support a separatist party if you're propping up a failing federalist one.

A Hermit said...

Bottom line here; two parties who were elected with a combined 52% of the vote used legitimate Parliamentary procedures to pass a budget which most Canadians, if you believe the polls, support (and which projects yet another surplus at the end of the year, by the way).

The CPC and their supporters have to stop pretending that not getting their way is equivalent to the end of democracy. It's not.

Jim said...

I buy that argument. If a majority of the house passes legislation, then I support that. I may disagree, but I support that.

My argument isn't about the fact that the amendment got passed. I also accept the fact that a party is going to have to deal with the Bloc, I don't like it, but it's a reality.

What I want to draw attention to is that:

When the CPC uses legitimate parliamentary procedure, it's partisan politicking.

When the CPC was "in bed with the separatists" (Liberal terminology not mine), it was the end of confederation.

Does this mean the LiberalNDP used partisan politicking? Is it the end of confederation since the Liberal have "hopped into bed with the separatists"?

I'm looking for consistency here.

Anonymous said...

If Stephen Harper had wanted to make a deal with the Bloc he would be Prime Minister today.

Do you think if the tables were turned the Liberals would not have formed a coalition with the separtists ? Hah!! They would sell the farm for power and they don't even OWN the farm - it belongs to taxpayers.

So, in the short term ethics and values look like they could not beat out lies, bribes and corruption. In the longer term if canadian don't wise up we will deserve the destruction of our country.
One leader and 98 ethical hard working MP's need our help.
NO more arm chair quarterbacks - if we don't all get in the field behind them democracy will be/is toast.
We need 100 Sheila Frasers, we need audits, we need to stem the pilfering...and only an outcry from Canadians will force any change.
Who is with me?

Paul Vincent said...

The problem here is that the Liberal-NDP were ACTUALLY in bed with the Bloc. The Conservatives spent the last three months trying to say they have not been in bed with the Bloc. The Liberals and NDP kept saying things like "Bloc buddies" and such to demonize them more. Now with that all said the NDP and Liberals have written an agreement, a contract, with the Bloc.

No one really cares right now that the budget actually passed. It was not a clever way of doing things it was legitimate parliament with 52% of the vote passing the bill. I'm hoping that in a month's time when they're still discussing gay marriage Martin's poll numbers go down because Canadians see that he actually made a deal with the devil.

zednik said...

The simple reality is we were bested,

I can't fault Paul Martin, I mean look at the length the guy has gone to to keep his government in place, is this truly a suprise to anyone?

The worst part is no one in Ontario cares, Paul Martin could have pulled out a machine gun and gone scarface last night, and the voters of Ontario still would have handed him over seventy seats in the next election.

Ontario has handed Paul Martin a blank cheque to do whatever the hell he wants,

-Z

Jim said...

Actually, now that I think about it, this "two parties representing 52%" want this budget is actually a kind of convoluted argument.

Technically, 66% of Canadians just wanted the original budget, without the add-on.

Oh well. Argument's moot.

I think I'd feel better if 100% of Canadians were represented at the vote.